- Iranians are not Arabs. The people of Iran do not care what is happening in Palestine. Even if they do, their feeling is in the same level as they care for the "Chechens in Russia". The feeling is mutual. Arabs look at Iran as another Israel. They do not see Iranians as Muslims. Iran is not admitted to any gathering of the Arabs.
Thursday, December 28, 2006
De-Arabization of Iran
De-Arabization of Iran: a Mission for all Iranians:
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No matter how obvious these simple truths are to us, it never ceases to shock me how many times when Westerners ask if I am of Arab descent, (and I kindly reply), "No, I am Persian", that they have the same confused expression on the face like they haven't realized the difference.
It's bad enough that we are trying to repel 1400 years of Muhammad's poisionous filth, but we can't even get basic racial recognition? What we need is a crusade of our own, Iranians vs. Islam. And until then, marg bar simple Taazi phrases like "Salam Malekon" and "Enshallah" but instead, "Dorood bar shoma" and "Omidvaram". We gotta start small.
Well put...
it's interesting to see how iranians still are Muslims when they now know that most of their ancestors were forced to convert to Muslim religion...I would be as mad as a devil...
It is true! Iran do not belong to the Arabian civilisation. But 60 % iranian language is arabian...It is very bad. :(
Well done, dear Winston.
you are absolutely persian, and this is proud for me.
most or better say, all of our problems are caused of arabic culture which is mixed with our iranian culture.
then, dear winston, this is a great feeling that my little blog's name is been in your grand blog.
How about the jukebox, i suppose u couldn't do it. if you want, i support it for your blog in my own ID then u can change the ID to own password, or i explaine it step by step.
if you've got the password to login, let me know.
thanks again.
we should break the taboo and say open how useless and harmfully islam for us is!
iran is infected,very hardly infection.
Germans say: "Bildung macht frei" it means:"Education makes free"
taasob and khorafat are our Enemies.
i know "muslims" who drink alcohol but NOT during "ramazan".how stupid is it?
مـنکه بابـت اولین جـمله ات خـودم رو خـفه کـردم اما این مـلت هـنوز مـیپرسـند عــربی ؟
Iran is a collection of different groups of people. Iran is not Tehran. In south of Iran there are Many Iranians who are arabs. In north of Iran there are many Iranians who are Turks and... Persians are just one group. I introduce myself as Persian, but it doesn't mean that all Iranians are Persian. And all non-persians are not Iranian.
That aside. In free countries, such as Canada and US, people from different races, nationalities, colours, costoms are living to gether in a reletively good harmony. So why should we now start talking about these things? Who cares if someone is Arab, Jew, Turk or Persian. What is so good about being Persian anyway? I think this stupid empty nationalistic pride is the root of many of the problems Iran has. And until people do not learn to live in harmony with other people (everyone is a human and human rights is and should be the same for all), we will not be better off.
I agree with parts of your writing, but I totally disagree with the tone and the centre of it. Which is PErsian vs. Arab. It is not that. It is just the fact that at this time we need to worry about Iran, which is one of the main causes of problems in the middle east. It doesn't mean we should not worry about what goes on a few Kilometers away from us, it means that we should first concentrate on Iran. that is my (a lot more than) 2 cents.
Shabnam, where did I or the article talk about Persians Vs Arabs?
I mentioned IRANIANS vs Arabian culture.
Read more carefully before commenting pls
Good article that i read a while back.
Doesn't culture count? I mean when you separate the cultures, doesn't that automatically separate the people?
When the title say De-Arabization of Iran, what does that really mean? When there is a whole part of Iran with Arab community in it?
Well, I believe some cultures are inferior and some cultures are superior. So Arabian culture I am talking about deserves to be driven out of the Iranians' lives once and forever.
Shabnam Jan: In an ideal world you would be right. However, we don't live in such a world. Many Arabs call Iranians "dogs" and "Safavid" and consider all of our poets and scientists as theirs because they had to work under the Arabian Royal Court. They don't consider Iranian as equal to theirs. They are some of the most biggoted people in the world.
dear shabnam,
who in iran arab is,should stay arab,who not, should practice his true identity.our problems are not arab people.our problems(in my opinion) are this culture and religion of them.both of them sould stay by arabs dont care where they are.
what do you think why turky still waiting for EU-membership?i think because of their religion and their culture and human rights.
Look Shabnam, first off you are right that Iran consists of non-Persian ethnic groups like Azeri's, Turks, Kurds, and Khuzestanis, however, either these groups share the same genetic background as we do (Aryan lineage) or they have fought for thousands of years alongside Persians and have established their loyalty, love, dedication and allegiance to majestic and noble glory of Iran, and have rightfully earned the right to call themselves Iranians. It is these states that make up "Iranzamin". Even today, if you call a Khuzestani an Arab, his eyes will light up and he will tell you in a firm tone, "I am an Iranian". And you know what? THAT is why we aren't against THEM, and in fact love them as our own, but are against ARABS, real Arabs, who instead of making a point to declare Iran as their home, make a point to declare Iran as their BATTLEGROUND.
Unfortunately for you, and no one else, Arabs on the other hand, have fought AGAINST Persians and have established not love and loyalty, but bitter hate, resentment, lethal prejudice and most importantly, the destruction and uprooting of ALL THINGS IRANIAN. You want to put Iranians and Arabs on the same level? Then you'll see that despite all our differences, the Kurds, Turks/Azeris, and EVEN the Khuzestani's, will unite together and laugh and ridicule you and spit on the Taazi infected words that spew from your mouth. Wake up.
You ask what's so great about being Persian? Well Shabnam, if you have to ask somebody else and can't else that question yourself, then obviously you are not a Persian, don't want to be a Persian, and have no fucking clue what Iran and Persians are all about. Don't wear the title if you heart's empty and your mind's clueless. Being Iranian is a privalege, and if you want to abuse it, or neglect it, and can't face up to your duties and responsibilities as an Iranian, to be educated and informed about your culture, your REAL culture, get off the train. Your existence as an "Iranian" damages the reputation of REAL Iranians across the world.
I totally agree with Winston, certain cultures are inferior and certain cultures are superior, and I can't stand people who believe the world is equal, because it's not godamnit. As far as far as I'm concerned, the world revolves around the contributions of four major ancient civilizations: The Egyptians, the Persians, the Chinese, and the Greeks. And among these four, I believe Persians to have an unmatched, unparelelled, overwhelming and captivating UNDERSTANDING of the world around them; science, poetry, love, nature, everything. Whenever I read the Shahnameh, or open a book of Khayyam, or studying ancient Persian history, there is this chill I feel, and I feel it everytime, it's a chill that brings unremarkable joy and awe to my heart, that always leads me to pause and say, I'm so godamn proud to be an Iranian. And if you haven't felt that, and maybe you never will, you haven't even tasted a glimpse of what being an Iranian is, and what real Iranians like the dedicated and hardworking ones like myself and others on this site feel every minute and every second of the day. It's that chill the drives us, and when you feel that chill, everything just seems to fall into place after that.
Arian you put it perfectly.
Arabs came and violently forced their backward culture on our nation, in the form of Islam. Today every true Iranian is trying to rid our country of this left-over of the Arab Occupation that has caused so much misery, death, destruction, and retardation to our nation and people.
Shabnam wake up and smell the coffee.
این را بخوانید
Good luck to you guys. The whole Islam thing is for losers - obviously, they commit suicide all the time.
Arian:
I am amased by the amount of prejudice and close-minded nonesense that you have produced in response to Shabnam's comment. I think she is posing a valid question regarding the threat of nationalism when dealing with questions of culture and especially "the Arab problem" in Iran. If you mean what you say in your description page, that "with a little understanding and open-mindedness" and through "democracy and freedom" we can solve our problems, then you better practice it. What I see in your response is bigotted, unfounded national pride instead of "open-mindedness" and filthy, intolerant language instead of your supposed attachment to freedom that should result in a rational critical discussion.
Personally, I think there is only a case for being proude of those ideas and practices we identify as Persian that meet the standards set by the respect for liberty and human rights. The likes of those of Cyrus The Great. There is no case for nationalism and its variants. If we were to follow your instruction, by which those who "fought AGAINST Persians" are inferior and should be cast out (as if the word Persian is so sharply defined that it needs no further clarificatoin) then why should we include the Greeks in your four "major civilizations"? They not only fought against the ancient Persian empire, but they conquered it and set Persepolis on fire. Should we not, by your standard, fight them too?
Cyrus, what you're problem is, is you like to take my words, twist them, and then add your own ending and connotation to them. When I said, "fought AGAINST Persians" I was referring to a specific scenerario where I was distinguishing Iranian Arabs from foreign Arabs and then at ANOTHER point in the conversation I was talking about the existence inferior and superior cultures around the world. What you did, was conjoin two issues that had nothing to do with eachother, and say that those who fight against the Persians are coincidentally inferior.
I don't appreciate the fact that you are trying to make me look bad by being deceptive and manipulative and I know damn well you know what you are doing, and it is low.
As far as you're comment that "there is no case for nationalism and its variants" and to be real Persians all we need to do is just need to follow the teachings of Cyrus it is no wonder why you side with Shabnam and are accordingly, extremely narrowminded. It is in fact you who are the close-minded one.
First off, Cyrus was not Buddha, as you are making him out to be. Cyrus was a great NATIONALIST who had a vision of creating a grand and majestic PERSIAN empire, BASED ON the principles of religious tolerance and humanity and all that good stuff. Not the other way around. If you had actually followed history, Cyrus had no problem destroying those who got in the way of Iran's glory, or in his path, but would of course given them the oppurtunity to surrender first by treating them fairly and just.
We are in the middle of a war, and when you are in the middle of the war, you do not have the luxury of being passive and wishywashy. You must do what is necessary to ensure that you win and that the safety and security of your country is upheld. That has not been the case, and frankly I do not care about you, or your insignificant knitpicks and empty-minded hollow complaints. So when I said "with a little understanding and open-mindedness" I wasn't refering to openmindedness for peope like you who call Iranian nationalism "a threat" and who claim it is really the Arabs who are the victims in Iran, and even go as mocking/denying the EXISTENCE of an "Arab problem" in Iran by putting quotes around it. I was talking about openmindedness amongst my BRETHEREN, who are so divided in thought as to the nature and future of their country, that they fight amongst eachother even though they both fight for Iran. And you're damn straight, when someone for 1400 years has raped and poisoned the soul and potential of my country, my words will be filthy, and I damn sure won't be fucking tolerant. I care about Iran, its freedom, and its glory, and I will fight toward democracy to ensure that fools like you will have the right to voice their opinion freely.
If you have noticed one common thing throughout these blogs, each one of us has our own agenda, whether Constitutional Monarchist, Republican, Neo-con, Democratic Anti-con, or Marxist, we all try to put ASIDE our differences for the GREATER good. This is a tacit understanding between true nationalists and patriots of Iran who recognize that fighting eachother is really just another way of fighting against themselves, and the prosperity of a free Iran.
You want to spend your time fighting against me over details you deem important, when there are much bigger problems and issues to be resolved, be my guest, but just beware, you are not doing yourself, me or anybody else a favor by wasting our time with frivolous debates, and unfounded complaints. So now I hope you understand that when I said in my blog, "with a little understanding and open-mindedness" we can work together toward the freedom and democracy of Iran, you know what I mean, and that it is really YOU who is the bigotted and unfounded one with the "filthy and intolerant language." Don't bother replying, I have nothing more to say.
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